2007-11-17T02:02:34 * ThomasWaldmann is through with all unconfirmed bugs
2007-11-17T02:02:56 <starshine> does that mean they're all confirmed?
2007-11-17T02:03:36 <ThomasWaldmann> no, it means that 23 CategoryEasy tasks exist now
2007-11-17T02:03:45 <starshine> hehe
2007-11-17T02:04:10 <ThomasWaldmann> for $SECRETPROJECT
2007-11-17T02:04:45 <starshine> code/supersecret = css ;P
2007-11-17T02:13:46 <ThomasWaldmann> css acronym is overused :D
2007-11-17T02:15:27 * starshine encrypts moin and stuffs it on a dvd to play with ;>
2007-11-17T02:17:55 <ThomasWaldmann> try to find some pattern in the noise :D
2007-11-17T02:19:40 <starshine> pretty patterns hee hee hee
2007-11-17T02:19:49 <starshine> ok I'm going home, supper, then hacking.
2007-11-17T02:21:00 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/getPageTextFailsOnSomePres looks like we have some parser problem
2007-11-17T09:38:07 <dreimark> moin
2007-11-17T09:39:17 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: {{{#!wiki red/solid may be unified to {{{#!wiki red|solid in 1.7?
2007-11-17T10:17:10 <dreimark> or can we point that as EasyToDo
2007-11-17T10:17:27 <dreimark> s/point/flag
2007-11-17T10:17:30 <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-17T10:21:20 <dreimark> MoinMoinBugs/getPageTextFailsOnSomePres if its not such bad for us it sounds like a python challange.
2007-11-17T10:24:13 <dreimark> that page is a good reason to revert the nested {{{ changes and to use plain as fallback as we describe it
2007-11-17T10:24:36 <dreimark> so we have to find in the reverted one why plain is not called
2007-11-17T10:25:21 <dreimark> I will work on that this weekend
2007-11-17T12:01:23 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-17T14:53:45 * ThomasWaldmann looks through confirmed bugs
2007-11-17T15:25:48 * ThomasWaldmann is done and waiting for bulk importer input specs
2007-11-17T15:29:49 <ThomasWaldmann> if someone has time, it would be good to have a second opinion on the CategoryEasy task (whether they really ARE easy [see also the Task: spec they have] and whether there is stuff missing that could be also CategoryEasy or on EasyToDo)
2007-11-17T15:34:16 * xorAxAx sighs
2007-11-17T17:08:58 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: hi. http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/SubscribeUser should that be CategoryFeatureImplemented ?
2007-11-17T17:10:18 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i am seeing checkboxes in the tiny frame that is shown the diff on the page --> XSS issue and very bad usability
2007-11-17T17:10:28 <xorAxAx> s/checkboxes/form elements/
2007-11-17T17:10:43 <xorAxAx> s/shown/& for/
2007-11-17T17:11:17 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: hi, thats different not yet implemented, we do have to know a user currently and dont have this list box
2007-11-17T17:13:01 <dreimark> but only admins can call this function, so we should disable it in the theme too (dependend on status of user)
2007-11-17T17:15:54 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: its not text plain broken its only not called.
2007-11-17T17:16:20 <xorAxAx> dreimark: what do you mean?
2007-11-17T17:16:40 <dreimark> FeatureRequests/TextPlainFormatterRewrite (first line)
2007-11-17T17:17:35 <dreimark> I recognized on Thu. or Fr. dont remember thats the fixing of nesting was bogus, the only thing I guess needs to be fixed to call text if one uses {{{
2007-11-17T17:19:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (please add comment on that page)
2007-11-17T17:19:43 <dreimark> I have not much time today because of birthday of one my sisters, but i do revert in the morning tommorrow my changes to the wikiparser
2007-11-17T17:25:21 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i have no idea of what XSS stuff you are talking
2007-11-17T17:26:29 <dreimark> have to leave, bb on sunday or late in the evening
2007-11-17T17:27:25 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: is it the transclusion of SubscribeUser.py.patch ? my browser does not show that because of a missing plugin for that mimetype.
2007-11-17T17:33:20 <grzywacz> moin
2007-11-17T17:35:14 <ThomasWaldmann> hi grzywacz
2007-11-17T17:44:15 <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: if you have time to help, could you review CategoryEasy and EasyToDo?
2007-11-17T17:44:41 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, review?
2007-11-17T17:50:32 <ThomasWaldmann> == build your own opinion whether tasks are easy, improve it, add more details, ...
2007-11-17T17:54:23 <ThomasWaldmann> we also need some time estimate for the tasks [h]
2007-11-17T18:09:57 * ThomasWaldmann fixes inline comment regex
2007-11-17T18:10:50 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/diff/FeatureRequests/TextPlainFormatterRewrite that will fix this page's rendering
2007-11-17T18:32:17 <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2342:affd315c3768 1.6/ (MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py docs/CHANGES): fixing inline comments (remarks) markup, require leading and trailing whitespace
2007-11-17T18:40:04 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes, and opera interprets it as html
2007-11-17T18:43:05 <ThomasWaldmann> interpreting a text/patch(?) object as html looks like a opera bug
2007-11-17T18:43:43 <xorAxAx> not sure
2007-11-17T19:02:23 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.wikiwikiweb.de/ParserTesting
2007-11-17T19:02:31 <ThomasWaldmann> (see action=raw)
2007-11-17T19:58:33 <xorAxAx> 314963 French.zip
2007-11-17T19:58:33 <xorAxAx> 467114 EuropeanPortuguese.zip
2007-11-17T19:58:38 <xorAxAx> that large file is pretty suspect
2007-11-17T20:02:42 <xorAxAx> who wrote "we don't have a list of willing users and not much time left"?
2007-11-17T20:03:10 <xorAxAx> thats kind of missing the point IMHO :)
2007-11-17T20:03:22 <xorAxAx> because approaching the users would be one step of the task
2007-11-17T20:06:27 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: i cannot find your bug tracker idea on easytodo
2007-11-17T20:06:58 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: did you remove it?
2007-11-17T20:09:26 * xorAxAx feels like being in a kindergarden
2007-11-17T20:15:16 <TheSheep> isn't it kindergarten?
2007-11-17T20:15:46 <xorAxAx> no
2007-11-17T20:15:48 <xorAxAx> only in german
2007-11-17T20:15:55 <xorAxAx> kindergarden is the english term
2007-11-17T20:16:38 <TheSheep> Kindergarten
2007-11-17T20:16:38 <TheSheep> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2007-11-17T20:16:39 <TheSheep> (Redirected from Kindergarden)
2007-11-17T20:17:06 <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-17T20:17:17 <TheSheep> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kindergarden
2007-11-17T20:17:32 <xorAxAx> ok
2007-11-17T20:26:40 <xorAxAx> hmm, i cant hide my sandboxing project
2007-11-17T20:36:33 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: a) me b) yes (see diff0
2007-11-17T20:38:26 <xorAxAx> any particular reason to express disagreement by removing contents from a wikipage?
2007-11-17T20:38:43 <ThomasWaldmann> see the diff
2007-11-17T20:40:32 <xorAxAx> the diff shows that the line was gone in one of the 20 revs
2007-11-17T20:40:43 <xorAxAx> that succeeded the edit by karol
2007-11-17T20:44:06 <ThomasWaldmann> i did a quick check, the european portuguese shows nothing suspicious
2007-11-17T20:49:24 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: that "willing users" can be a problem as you need to find some or the task will be non-existing
2007-11-17T20:49:54 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ?
2007-11-17T20:50:00 <ThomasWaldmann> and "collection stuff from them" would mean much work being done by those "willing users", not by the one doing the task.
2007-11-17T20:50:01 <xorAxAx> we all know that there are users
2007-11-17T20:50:18 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i am imagining a phone/email interview
2007-11-17T20:50:34 <xorAxAx> and our person writing a text based on the information
2007-11-17T20:51:40 <ThomasWaldmann> well, add that to the wiki page
2007-11-17T20:51:51 <ThomasWaldmann> I was assuming email.
2007-11-17T20:52:44 <xorAxAx> so, i still havent figured out whats so bad about the bugtracker task
2007-11-17T20:53:29 <ThomasWaldmann> we didnt need trac until now and just used moin for it. so i dont see the point why we should generate a task out of that.
2007-11-17T20:54:12 <xorAxAx> well, i certainly have the need for some advanced features like more ways of classification
2007-11-17T20:54:22 <xorAxAx> like we had once
2007-11-17T20:54:27 <xorAxAx> at least partially
2007-11-17T20:55:03 <xorAxAx> in trac its much easier to see what kind of bugs are there and when they need to be fixed
2007-11-17T20:55:36 <xorAxAx> its making life a lot easier ... and by disabling the wiki in the trac, you dont confuse people either
2007-11-17T20:55:38 <ThomasWaldmann> our problem with bugs is not in the bug tracker, but in not enough people fixing bugs
2007-11-17T20:55:56 <xorAxAx> in certain cases, the bug tracker is one of the reasons for the latter cause
2007-11-17T20:56:28 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, "in certain"
2007-11-17T20:57:33 <xorAxAx> also one of your assumption was "most bugs are either minor or need user feedback" cant be backed up by my impressions of the current task list
2007-11-17T20:58:06 <xorAxAx> which lets me conclude that losing overview over a linear list of a lot of tracker items with no other means of classification is pretty much expected
2007-11-17T20:58:47 <ThomasWaldmann> how about working on something we need, like a bulk importer?
2007-11-17T20:59:07 <xorAxAx> bulk importer of what to what?
2007-11-17T20:59:39 <xorAxAx> well, i am currently working on the contents, the importer itself is trivial
2007-11-17T20:59:45 <ThomasWaldmann> the thing you wanted to have ready by now
2007-11-17T20:59:57 <xorAxAx> never said that it should be ready by now :)
2007-11-17T21:00:19 <ThomasWaldmann> shall I grep the logs where you said saturday, evening?
2007-11-17T21:00:39 <xorAxAx> i said the end of saturday
2007-11-17T21:00:44 <xorAxAx> 3 hours to go
2007-11-17T21:01:37 <ThomasWaldmann> well, would be a good idea to work on it nevertheless
2007-11-17T21:02:10 <xorAxAx> and a bad idea to stop a discussion
2007-11-17T21:02:35 <ThomasWaldmann> priorities :)
2007-11-17T22:30:11 <grzywacz> silly
2007-11-17T22:48:54 <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2344:058e796f3057 1.6/ (MoinMoin/request/__init__.py docs/CHANGES): use x-forwarded-for to get right remote_addr if a proxy is used
2007-11-17T23:40:29 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: why doesnt sre.match(r".*$^ Summary:: (.*)$.*^ Count:: (.*)$.*^ Label:: (.*)", s) match our template?
2007-11-17T23:40:53 <xorAxAx> not even with M
2007-11-17T23:50:39 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just try multiple, simpler REs
2007-11-17T23:51:52 <xorAxAx> umm
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