2008-01-26T00:04:07 <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: and/or xorAxAx: how do I find the parameters & embedding info for things?
2008-01-26T00:04:23 <YoniWiz> like I found a plugin for .doc and .pdf but i dont know about the embedding info
2008-01-26T00:05:01 <dreimark> good night
2008-01-26T00:06:32 <xorAxAx> YoniWiz: in the docs of the plugin
2008-01-26T03:45:17 <YoniWiz> dreimark: I updated the wiki with many more plugin information items
2008-01-26T03:45:53 <YoniWiz> and, although this is out of date - which is why I didnt put it in the wiki, it has good information about some of your mime types if you are interested
2008-01-26T03:45:54 <YoniWiz> http://joliclic.free.fr/html/object-tag/en/object-results.php#browsersDetails
2008-01-26T09:26:47 <kikka> hello.
2008-01-26T09:31:27 <dreimark> moin
2008-01-26T09:39:22 <kikka> moin dreimark
2008-01-26T09:39:32 <dreimark> hi kikka
2008-01-26T10:07:01 <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-26T12:27:47 <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-01-26T12:34:47 <kikka> Hey ThomasWaldmann
2008-01-26T13:26:19 * ThomasWaldmann continues playing with blueprint css
2008-01-26T13:39:41 <kikka> ThomasWaldmann, was war das eigentlich fuer ein Notebook das du auf dem 24c3 dabei hattest?
2008-01-26T13:40:19 <ThomasWaldmann> fujitsu p7010
2008-01-26T13:41:26 <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: starshine hat das neuere modell davon
2008-01-26T13:52:56 <kikka> Huch? Echt? Das wirkte weit kleiner
2008-01-26T15:46:44 <cb22> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/01/26/1339249.shtml scary...
2008-01-26T15:50:43 <xorAxAx> well, it was some document stating how expensive skype interception would be to the authorities. and the central question was "who should pay the costs?" in that letter :)
2008-01-26T16:04:31 <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: smaller than what?
2008-01-26T16:11:22 <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: maybe this one, we have to ask her for details :) http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P7230P
2008-01-26T16:49:36 <kikka> ThomasWaldmann, I thought it was an UMPC
2008-01-26T16:54:21 * cb22 eyes the u1010
2008-01-26T17:27:19 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: how long does it run on battery in real life?
2008-01-26T18:47:37 <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2522:60c8ef447310 1.6/ (MoinMoin/parser/text_rst.py docs/CHANGES): RST parser: fix attachment: and drawing: processing
2008-01-26T18:47:39 <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2523:c3bdf726d12b 1.6/MoinMoin/macro/EmbedObject.py: merge main
2008-01-26T19:18:53 <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2524:b81376013df9 1.6/ (MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py docs/CHANGES): fixed the quickhelp shown when editing RST markup
2008-01-26T20:10:59 <xorAxAx> hi forrestv_
2008-01-26T20:11:04 <xorAxAx> currently reviewing your code
2008-01-26T20:11:07 <forrestv_> hi
2008-01-26T20:11:15 <xorAxAx> cb22: is your moin script --help stuff already committed to 1.7?
2008-01-26T20:11:32 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: is your patch against 1.7?
2008-01-26T20:11:41 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: yes
2008-01-26T20:11:45 <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-26T20:13:16 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: i added a comment
2008-01-26T20:14:40 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: why doesn't moin.py work when it isn't installed?
2008-01-26T20:15:31 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: you mean running out of the build directory? that works for me
2008-01-26T20:15:36 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: because it imports MoinMoin
2008-01-26T20:15:47 <xorAxAx> then it only works for you because you ran setup.py install
2008-01-26T20:18:19 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i did not run setup.py. i have been only running it out of the build directory. what imports MoinMoin? moin.py or MoinMoin/script/server/standalone.py?
2008-01-26T20:18:30 <xorAxAx> the former
2008-01-26T20:18:53 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: it can import MoinMoin from the build directory...
2008-01-26T20:19:17 <xorAxAx> "build directory"?
2008-01-26T20:20:02 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: the directory the source is in
2008-01-26T20:21:22 <xorAxAx> are you on windows?
2008-01-26T20:21:43 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: no
2008-01-26T20:21:46 <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-26T20:22:01 <xorAxAx> indeed, it doesnt need the MoinMoin fixup
2008-01-26T20:22:45 <xorAxAx> but the htdocs path is fixed up
2008-01-26T20:23:01 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: try starting moin.py with a different current dir than the "build dir"
2008-01-26T20:23:11 <xorAxAx> and see whether the page looks sane when requested
2008-01-26T20:28:30 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like #26 will get reopened/invalidated soon
2008-01-26T20:28:59 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i fixed that. the issue is updated.
2008-01-26T20:29:44 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: reopened? %-)
2008-01-26T20:29:46 <forrestv_> what happens if someone tries to claim issue 114?
2008-01-26T20:30:19 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: just to avoid confusing some google tool :)
2008-01-26T20:31:37 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: well, all claim related logic is done manually by us :)
2008-01-26T20:31:51 <xorAxAx> and the claiming period has ended
2008-01-26T20:32:31 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: heh. i used the original moin.py code to make it detect which directory it is in.
2008-01-26T20:49:31 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: the code has still the same problem
2008-01-26T20:49:34 <xorAxAx> 20:23:01 < xorAxAx> forrestv_: try starting moin.py with a different current dir than the "build dir"
2008-01-26T20:49:37 <xorAxAx> that will fail
2008-01-26T20:50:04 <xorAxAx> also, why do you duplicate the daemonize logic?
2008-01-26T20:50:11 <xorAxAx> moin already has it in another file
2008-01-26T20:50:11 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: its not for me.
2008-01-26T20:50:19 <xorAxAx> hmm?
2008-01-26T20:50:47 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: it runs from other directorys
2008-01-26T20:50:59 <xorAxAx> did you request a webpage?
2008-01-26T20:51:11 <xorAxAx> and check whether all images appear?
2008-01-26T20:52:25 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: yes... they do
2008-01-26T20:52:38 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: did you look at the new patch?
2008-01-26T20:53:07 <xorAxAx> yes
2008-01-26T20:53:23 <xorAxAx> i wonder how that should work
2008-01-26T20:53:26 <xorAxAx> explain
2008-01-26T20:54:03 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: it finds how you are calling it to get the directory it is in, then changes to that directory so it can access htdocs and MoinMoin
2008-01-26T20:54:15 <xorAxAx> ah, it chdirs?
2008-01-26T20:54:20 <xorAxAx> OMG
2008-01-26T20:54:25 <xorAxAx> dont do that
2008-01-26T20:54:41 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: why?
2008-01-26T20:54:43 <xorAxAx> will harm any piece of code that starts this script
2008-01-26T20:54:57 <xorAxAx> because one should assume that a program doesnt chdir, esp. if it doesnt chdir back
2008-01-26T20:55:15 <xorAxAx> hmm
2008-01-26T20:55:25 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: by script you mean shell/python?
2008-01-26T20:55:27 <xorAxAx> ignore that, it seems like linux is different than DOS :)
2008-01-26T20:55:38 <xorAxAx> but this might fail on windows
2008-01-26T20:55:44 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: ok, i'll check
2008-01-26T20:55:47 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: yes, so lets say cmd.exe :)
2008-01-26T21:03:22 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: works fine on windows, but i can't check if chdir affects outer processes. whats the equivalent of Ctrl-C on windows?
2008-01-26T21:04:50 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: ctrl-break
2008-01-26T21:05:11 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i don't have a break key :(
2008-01-26T21:05:24 <xorAxAx> its near the scroll lock
2008-01-26T21:05:56 <xorAxAx> why dont you have a break key?
2008-01-26T21:06:06 <ThomasWaldmann> it's broken :))
2008-01-26T21:06:07 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: non standard keyboard
2008-01-26T21:06:24 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: a pity that they didnt add such useful and important keys :
2008-01-26T21:06:25 <xorAxAx> -)
2008-01-26T21:06:40 <xorAxAx> hmm, a lot of gnome games use the break key to stop the game
2008-01-26T21:08:20 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: you can also use the task maanger :-)
2008-01-26T21:08:29 <dreimark> ctrl+alt+del
2008-01-26T21:08:37 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: my keyboard doesn't have a delete key :(
2008-01-26T21:08:47 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: ctrl - shift - esc
2008-01-26T21:08:48 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i already tried
2008-01-26T21:08:57 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: that works!
2008-01-26T21:08:59 <xorAxAx> dreimark: wrong :)
2008-01-26T21:09:43 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: ok, a chdir in python does not affect any outer processes
2008-01-26T21:09:56 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: ok
2008-01-26T21:10:06 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i didn't notice the Daemon class, i'll use it
2008-01-26T21:10:24 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: then its still bad because people will assume that their command line args are relative to their working dir :)
2008-01-26T21:10:53 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: there are no args to moin.py. ThomasWaldman was thinking of renaming it to mmde.py
2008-01-26T21:11:11 <forrestv_> xorAxAx: less confusing with MoinMoin/scripts/moin.py
2008-01-26T21:11:38 <dreimark> nice name
2008-01-26T21:11:50 <xorAxAx> forrestv_: hmm, right
2008-01-26T21:12:08 <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-26T21:23:12 <YoniWiz> xorAxAx: you said that as long as I put in time on a task that the task deserved it was OK to use previous work done by others in my submission, correct?
2008-01-26T21:23:43 <xorAxAx> YoniWiz: yes, i think thats perfectly ok
2008-01-26T21:23:52 <xorAxAx> otherwise the other person hasnt understood opensource :)
2008-01-26T21:24:27 <YoniWiz> alright good. just double checking since it was brought up on the issue page
2008-01-26T21:24:40 <xorAxAx> one of the central ideas is to reuse other peoples work, and this is possible because of the licenses
2008-01-26T21:24:58 <YoniWiz> cool
2008-01-26T21:25:30 <cb22> xorAxAx: yes to 1.7
2008-01-26T21:26:21 <dreimark> cb22: Gallery2 is a parser
2008-01-26T21:26:41 <dreimark> I removed the sentence from a Gallery2 installation
2008-01-26T21:27:14 <dreimark> there is no Gallery2 installation necessary if you have added the parser
2008-01-26T21:27:57 <cb22> dreimark: ah ok. i must have misunderstood
2008-01-26T21:28:46 <cb22> thats why wikis are cool :)
2008-01-26T21:29:07 <dreimark> sometimes people think it is using the php Gallery program
2008-01-26T21:29:22 <cb22> yes i thought that too
2008-01-26T21:29:44 <dreimark> it doesn't it only needs MM
2008-01-26T21:29:56 <cb22> considering the new version of Gallery is called Gallery2
2008-01-26T21:30:50 <dreimark> We have Gallery as macro by simon ryan
2008-01-26T21:31:16 <dreimark> As I have added the parser code I enumbered it +1
2008-01-26T21:31:20 <cb22> ah i see
2008-01-26T21:31:53 <cb22> im ircing with my phone now, but if you havent already i'l add a note about that
2008-01-26T21:32:34 <cb22> 'the gallery2 parser is in no way related to or requires the php gallery2 web application'
2008-01-26T21:32:58 <dreimark> use ( )
2008-01-26T21:38:55 <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-26T21:42:38 * ThomasWaldmann debugs rendering problem of http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnMacros/ImageLink
2008-01-26T21:49:17 <grzywacz> new pymag is out!
2008-01-26T21:57:47 <cb22> :( if only i had a paypal acount
2008-01-26T22:05:03 <grzywacz> Or a credit card? ;)
2008-01-26T22:08:10 <cb22> heh, dont rub it in
2008-01-26T22:10:12 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess you all know planetpython.org and planet.python.org for the daily read?
2008-01-26T22:11:40 <grzywacz> I get RSS' via jabber ;)
2008-01-26T22:11:50 <grzywacz> Tons of it :P
2008-01-26T22:23:15 <cb22> so, i could either by a proper ssd hdd for $400 (a 8gb one)
2008-01-26T22:23:40 <cb22> or i could by a 8gb compact flash card with a cf to mini ide converter for $50. hmmm....
2008-01-26T22:51:11 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: i have done the last :)
2008-01-26T22:52:50 <ThomasWaldmann> seek time is ok, but throughput and cpu load isn't that great (doesn't do udma)
2008-01-26T23:23:12 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: btw, if you choose to go the cf-adaptor way: there are adaptors that adapt 2 CF cards to a ide bus (master/slave)
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